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WRV wants my ass!

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: WRV wants my ass! Reply with quote

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I received a really stupid email from Wave Riding Vehicles today. They allege that I am using their trademark term "wave riding vehicles" on one (or more) of my web pages (the MyPaipoBoards home page as it turns out). The violation in question is a description of the Nels Norene's Vagabond site:

"vagabondsurf.com is an open forum for the entire surfing world, featuring articles and pics of alternative wave riding vehicles and an alternative view of the surfing industry"

I really feel sorry for them to have wasted their time like that. In a reply to WRV, I suggested they use their lawyers to distinguish trademarks, servicemarks and copyrights, the the enforceble definition of trademark. Dorks!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call your next board "the ultimate driving machine" and see if BMW sends its lawyers too! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear the old website is bringing heartache your way, Rod. I just went through a billion viagra ads looking to see if they sent me anything too, but so far, so good. Maybe they are just pissed you didn't get a WRV paipo, or maybe they are looking for new revenue to get them through a Clark foam shortage.

My site won't be up forever, but if I start getting a bunch of yuppie lawyer crap I might have to rethink the whole re-entrenchment program I'm on. Fortune favors the brave, eh?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Nels. LOL, I received a follow-up response from WRV this evening. I think they need to go waveriding or something. Her it is:

Dear Sir,

We received your response dated 1/9/06.

Wave Riding Vehicles diligently maintains the rights to it's Trademarks. The copyright referred to is in regards to the content on the website. There is always a Trademark accompanying our logos. We, including our counsel, are quite familiar with responses of all types and the subsequent actions that may be necessary. This is a friendly notice. Please proceed accordingly.

Sincerely,
U.S. Fiberglass Corporate Office
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... Rod, how about changing it to "wave riding apparati." Ha ha ha!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We received your response dated 1/9/06.

Wave Riding Vehicles diligently maintains the rights to it's Trademarks. The copyright referred to is in regards to the content on the website. There is always a Trademark accompanying our logos. We, including our counsel, are quite familiar with responses of all types and the subsequent actions that may be necessary. This is a friendly notice. Please proceed accordingly.

Sincerely,
U.S. Fiberglass Corporate Office


You could always point out it says "alternative wave riding vehicles", not "wave riding vehicles", and ask for legal clarification - that ought to be good for another $400 in lawyer fees, a legit cost of doing business for them to protect their trademark. Or a clarification to "The copyright referred to is in regards to the content on the website", which is rather nebulous...are they claiming copyright to all the content on your website?

Poobah, once upon a time you asked me about that copyright stuff - see how much fun it is?

I hate to sound so booge-wah, but the name "U.S. Fiberglass Corporate Office? pretty much su,s up what is wrong with surfing in 2006. Seems like a simple phone call to a real surfer or human being at WRV ought to be able to keep peace in the valley.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a Surf Pulse editorial at
http://www.surfpulse.com/2002/downtheline/dtl-12.shtml
that also uses the phrase "alternative wave riding vehicles." It's about the discrimination towards non pedestrian surfers. I wonder if they were painted with the same brush as Rod. What's next for Rod? Will Hot Rod Magazine be after his first name? Worse yet...maybe someone owns the word "paipo."
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tumak wrote:
Hmmm... Rod, how about changing it to "wave riding apparati." Ha ha ha!


Alas, "apparatus" is already in its plural form.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed it a few days ago to "vehicles for wave riding" (bugs the crap out of me since my workplace just HATES those passive voice prepositional phrases!). Still in "dialogue" over this really stupid BS. And certainly can't imagine their willingness to spend lawyering hours over something so inconsequential... and something they would lose if I hired a lawyer. One thing for sure... this ain't Bob White Surfboards!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And certainly can't imagine their willingness to spend lawyering hours over something so inconsequential... and something they would lose if I hired a lawyer


I have a mental picture of legal firms wandering around cyberspace doing keyword searches and "making contact". What a sad, bad joke...and how emblamatic of modern surfing is this situation?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Paipo Jim, for that correction. I didn't take the time to check that out before posting.

Rod, when I lightheartedly suggested that change, I didn't think you were really going to change your site that quickly! It sounded to me as though you were going to fight these dweebs! Just taking the course of least resistance is often the best idea; I think you did the right thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can spar with them a little and just not tell them it was changed Twisted Evil

and... I am really beginning to wonder about WRV's quality of service... I mean, if I you are an experienced waverider do you want to be waited on and advised by a 17yo nitwit kook? Besides, there are alternatives... e.g., RK's and 17th St Surf Shop. RK's even carries Birdwell Beach Britches!!!
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