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geoffreylevens
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts:
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Very cool! Keep us posted... Interesting that the get up and goer in junky waves is longer and narrower. |
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kid
Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: Location: Bells Beach
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, counter-intuitive! But I also rode that one second, so it might have been that my technique was just improving! _________________ "It's not a beer-belly, it's a displacement hull"
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bgreen
Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: Location: Qld. Oz
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Bj,
Despite the conditions - looks like there was the odd section. The arm forward style is classic HPD.
Is this an annual soiree?
Bob |
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kid
Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: Location: Bells Beach
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Hey Bob,
Yeah, I copied the style right out of old paipo vids! Turns out its totally functional!
"SCABS Days Out" will be random and unpredictable, but if you're gonna be in town, we'll organise one for sure!
I feel like a kid in a candy store with this much access to a style of surfing most people don't even know exists!
Cheers,
BJ. _________________ "It's not a beer-belly, it's a displacement hull"
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Thierry
Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posts: Location: France
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Very cool pics ... some decent waves for all to have fun ... wish I was there to share a few waves. _________________ Frogsurfer |
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geoffreylevens
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts:
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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I would love to "hear" any comparison you can make between handling characteristics of these boards relative to the parabolic alaia ones you've made/ridden. |
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surffoils
Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: Location: Gold Coast, (finally), Australia
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Nice boards and the pics are great. Especially the one armed Paipo SUPER MAN !
I picked this up as Tom Wegeners sealing mix...
1/3 raw linseed
1/3 gum turpentine
1/3 apple cider vinegar
But its one that needs to be re-done occaisionally. |
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kid
Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: Location: Bells Beach
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Geoffrey, the pick paipo's felt closer to a mat than an alaia. I find they both work best if you're right up on them, head hanging over the front, while on the alaia I have more board hanging out the front. The picks are very fast, but the width makes rapid direction changes a bit slower. My 5'6 and 5'8 alaia's turn on a dime, and carve drawn out turns well too! This might also be because I've spent a good 4 years riding alaia's, while I'm still quite new on the mat, and the picks....well I've only ridden them each once! More reports to come...... _________________ "It's not a beer-belly, it's a displacement hull"
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bgreen
Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: Location: Qld. Oz
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:00 am Post subject: |
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BJ,
There is some real technique involved with the really short boards. Check out Barry Hutchins interview to see his riding style. In the late 60s guys were riding sub 4' ply boards out at very solid Winki. There is an interview in the production queue that will describe this in more detail.
I think the turning on the guitar pick style boards is very different to the alaia. Ted tells me Paul Lindbergh gave him some advice - he didn't tape this this but it would be inetresting to hear his thoughts or those of any HPD riders.
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geoffreylevens
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts:
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Kid. I have ridden mats quite a bit and they are super sensitive, just a little hip roll and they carve right around! I'm guessing that on the HPD style you need to get your mind around probably even shifting hip position side to side and then really cramming that back corner w/ your hip. Also, they likely do come around a bit slower but just because you are pushing against a bigger/wider planning area. I'm just guessing on all this of course, never really having ridden a pick shaped board. |
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Soulglider
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts:
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: cc |
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longer and narrower every time is faster in mushy soup. i agree with the kid feller, narrower and longer is way easier to turn and a more down the line kinda trip. the picks go way fast and are bumpy in hawiian stuff. designed for hawaii, in hawaii. i find the wider pickish boards if they get any water under them start to wanna slide around to the point that they become some what uncontrollable. _________________ soulglider
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kage Dolphin Glider
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 286 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: |
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I have to most respectfully disagree. I think HPDs have to be ridden pretty far up on the nose. The slower and lower the wave the farther up you have to be. I don't think hip shifting will help that much because you would be trying to push the fat part of the board with your hip against the (probably) steepest part of the wave. Superman style is good, as is one handed, but when you want to turn sharp a more body board arm placement will be more responsive I think. On a right hand wave, right elbow on the right side of the board right hand on the left side of the nose to provide pulling leverage to go right. Left hand further down the board on the left side for left leverage. Opposite for left waves. (I hope this is right I'm pretty dyslexic). My apologies to all who find that elementary. |
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kid
Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: Location: Bells Beach
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Do you mean like this? (sorry for the dark photo)
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kid
Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: Location: Bells Beach
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Or like this?
I found this technique quite effective, although it takes a fair bit of effort to get the rail on a board this wide to bite in for a hard banking turn! _________________ "It's not a beer-belly, it's a displacement hull"
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kage Dolphin Glider
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 286 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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yes! But I think i see your board does not have much nose rocker. I am a bit of a bore on the the subject of nose rocker because I think these little fat boards need it. So you can get out farther farther farther on the front without pearling. I wonder if that might affect turning because of the amount of rail that is dipping in? |
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